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Mandatory Vaccination by November 15

lenaitch

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May vary by province. I know Ontario doesn’t require vaccines for the staff at establishments (which is weird- thanks Doug Ford), but I can’t speak to others.

There is of course a difference between a PMC attending to work in his or her office, versus a patron attending to eat and drink and socialize.

Now, with the new federal mandate, my understanding is anyone working on federal property will need to be vaccinated. Not sure how that would apply to non-CAF (NPF?) mess staff, but likely they will need to be as per of the federal effort to achieve fully vaccinated workplaces. And, of everything in the federal sphere, CAF is the easiest for which to justify this due to its unique operational imperatives.

NPF employees are federal public servants, so captured by the government directive. I suppose in Ontario, if one drops into the Canex to buy a coffee they don't have to show proof.
 

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NPF employees are not public servants and not employed by the government. They are employed by NPF.
 

Weinie

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NPF employees are not public servants and not employed by the government. They are employed by NPF.
But they do have a union, who, wisely, have not weighed in yet full bore.
 

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This is the only way that local commanders are allowing Messes to be “open” and serve alcohol.
I'm fairly certain Grn Petawawa would have gotten JAG advice before clarifying thier policy is only non-DND civilians are required to prove vaccination. The only thing military members are asked for is thier ID if they're in civvies.
 

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If the bar is open and liquor is flowing, it now falls under the auspices of being a “non-essential activity” which, legislated under provincial health mandate, requires proof of vaccination of everyone with a heartbeat. This is the only way that local commanders are allowing Messes to be “open” and serve alcohol.

I'm not sure this is the case - it isn't happening in the base I am on.
 

lenaitch

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NPF employees are not public servants and not employed by the government. They are employed by NPF.
Just going off this:

"Staff of the Non-Public Funds, Canadian Forces are public servants who work to take care of CAF members, veterans, and their families. They deliver morale and welfare services such as health, fitness and recreational programs as well as shopping, retail, and financial services."


then this:

Employment in the federal public service must be with a department or branch that forms part of the public service. It also includes employment in any of the boards, commissions or agencies that form part of the public service for pension purposes.
  1. Any department which is (or was during its lifetime) presided over by a Minister of the Crown.

then this:

3 The Minister of National Defence may appoint such persons as he deems proper to the Staff of the Non-Public Funds, Canadian Forces.

 

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I suspect a lot of our differences are due to Provincial health orders. Comox is in BC - we follow what Bonnie Henry dictates. As a Mess, we have determined that if the bar taps are open, we fall under the “non-essential” activity and thus everyone must be vaccinated - we don’t distinguish between CAF, NPF, PSP or civilian since the PHO doesn’t care. Local commanders provide their own risk acceptance strategies and come up with a plan that they are happy with, this is what Comox does, YMMV.
 

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If I read this right, Freeland says the CAF doesn't need the mandatory vaccines.

Not precisely. The policy that was published Wednesday is a TBS policy. It does not apply itself to CAF. CAF will have its own vaccine mandate, the PM in his press conference made reference to something coming from the CDS later.

There’s also nothing in the policy to substantiate the claim of exemptions for things like call centre operators, if they’re public servants. If that’s contracted out, then potentially, yeah.

As for the attestation versus proof thing- the public service isn’t set up to collect or handle medical information on all employees the way that CAF or RCMP are. I’m sure they’ll come up with something, but for now the attestation system lets them roll this out fast- trust now, verify later. Presumably anyone caught lying in a subsequent audit once they figure out next steps will face discipline up to and including termination.
 
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